This week the Bible as Literature podcast steps outside its usual format. Fr. Marc Boulos sits down with two parishioners of St. Elizabeth: Bethany Saros, former parish council president, and Carter Grenz. Bethany describes leaving the church, trying other paths, and coming back once she read the Gospels straight through and found she had run out of options. Carter, who grew up non-religious and came to Christianity through evangelical churches, recounts how Fr. Paul Nadim Tarazi’s work dismantled the sectarian and nationalist assumptions he had absorbed there.